Child Support Oddness
Posted on Wed, 1st March 2006 at 12:46 under Life, Hmmmm...I’ve just about had enough. Anyone who wants to say something to me had better do so soon, because I’m not staying in a country that so disgracefully treats people who are down on their luck. Not that I can afford to go anywhere. I’m just going to vanish, unexpectedly, like the generousity and compassion of the British people did while I went travelling.
I suppose it should come as no surprise that the
Payment of child maintenance
This notification tell you the amount of child maintenance that you are due to pay us.
The amounts detailed in the collections schedule will now be deducted from your benefit or Pension Credit.
Collection Schedule Payable Payable On Payable To Regular Maintenance Arrears Other Liabilities Overpayment Total Calendar monthly 01-03-2006 01-04-2006 £336.00 £0.00 £0.00 £0.00 £336.00 Weekly 14-04-2006 14-04-2006 £154.00 £0.00 £0.00 £0.00 £154.00 Weekly 21-04-2006 23-02-2007 £77.00 £0.00 £0.00 £0.00 £77.00
All well and good, except for one thing. I have been jobless since July 2004 and officially in receipt of Jobseeker’s Allowance, which amounts to £52 per week, since October 2005.
I’m not entirely sure where I am expected to get the extra money, or how I shall eat, or maintain a roof over my head, but who cares about me, eh? This is Paul Mitchell the Incredible
we’re talking about. Rich, successful and a performer of amazing magic tricks, such as making money appear for my children out of absolutely nowhere.
Rach said: March 3rd, 2006 at 17:50
Aren’t they a bit premature, wanting money for next year? You could have another child by then (-:
ReplyLibertus said: March 4th, 2006 at 01:25
The count of my children will indeed change soon, but definately not upwards I can assure you!
Jessica becomes a new adult this May.
ReplyLibertus said: March 4th, 2006 at 01:29
I should add that I have called the CSA and they are looking into this, so I’m not really angry with them, just frustrated. They seem to have trouble keeping up.
Also note that the Google ads here are spot-on.
ReplyRach said: March 6th, 2006 at 15:19
ok, now I feel old
ReplyJessica said: March 11th, 2006 at 11:54
Actually I don’t become an adult until I’m 18! You still legally have to pay for me while I’m in full time education. Sorry if I burst your bubble coz u were clearly counting down the days until you can get rid of me but now you have to put another 2 years onto that countdown! Was the first comment from Rachel a hint that you’re having another child? If so you better get a well paid job because that will be 3 kids you have to pay for then. Lets hope you actually stick around to see this 1 grow up & it actually knows it’s father!!!!
ReplyLucy B said: March 11th, 2006 at 13:58
Jessica
You have just illustrated another thing that your mother-who-tells-you-everything hasn’t told you.
Re the adulthood thing. Your father is probably referring to the Age of Legal Capacity (Scotland) Act 1991 (c. 50) which gives you, as a Scottish 16 year old rather more legal powers than your equivalent in England.
As for full time education beyond 16, I’m sure your father would be very pleased to hear all about it if you are planning to continue. But since you and your mother have thrown such a trantrum every time he has enquired about your life or schooling how can you expect him to know what you are going to do and plan for it?
ReplyPaul M said: March 11th, 2006 at 14:45
Jessica said:
Lucy B said:
Indeed!I can no longer have children .
We were sufficiently blessed and delighted with two.
ReplyPaul M said: March 11th, 2006 at 14:54
Age of Legal Capacity (Scotland) Act 1991 (c. 50) says:
In other words, from the age of 16 you may trade and make your own way in life. Section 7 reinforces that.
I think the intent of this Act was to enshrine in post-devolution primarly legislation that which had already been enjoyed by Scottish people under common law. You are a grown-up at 16, not a moment before.
ReplyJessica said: March 11th, 2006 at 19:38
to Paul Mum did tell me you had the snip but there such things-reversals. Thought you
Replyhad that done and eager to replace us. As for knowing me and my education you had
the chance and walked away no tantrum by anyone but you.
To Lucy nothing to say to you and never will!
Libertus said: March 11th, 2006 at 20:00
Jessica,
From the webpage Paul referenced: .
How do you feel about surgery?
ReplyJessica said: March 11th, 2006 at 21:05
How do i feelabout surgery? In general ? If is for lifesaving purposes am all for it, if
Replyit is for vanity, cosmetic and selfish reasons thenit is a waste of money and resources
that is better used elsewhere. If the surgery is a reversal then what do you care what
i think, if you are trying to get my blessing to replace my and my brothers childhood
with another child then do not hold your breath. I would be very hurt that you could
be dad to another child but chose not to be to me and my brother. So your choice would
definitely come under selfish reasons and possibly vanity-fucked it up first time so see
if i could improve but it is people you are dealing with not experiments!
Paul M said: March 11th, 2006 at 21:17
Jessica,
I need say this only once, as it is the truth.
I will not be having any more children, unless by somemiracle . You can rest assured that I shall never need, and therefore never seek either your or Christopher’s blessing for such a thing.
As I said before, I am sufficiently blessed and delighted with Christopher and you.
ReplyPaul M said: March 11th, 2006 at 21:28
Jessica,
As to surgery in general, I’m pretty much in agreement with you. I don’t quite understand people getting cosmetic surgery, unless there is a clearly visible reason to do so, but most often there is. The trouble with such surgery is that it is elective. The vision that matters often belongs to the person deciding whether to have the surgery.
As to my surgery, I don’t think vanity had anything to do with it, although selfish reasons cannot be eliminated. What I can say for sure is what I already said another way above. I certainly did not go through a vasectomy to go through a reverse vasectomy, or any other surgical procedure that invades my bollocks. Once is enough, thank you. I hate surgery.
ReplyLucy B said: March 12th, 2006 at 09:41
You know what Jessica, I’m getting a little tired of your attitude to me. I have spent a lot of time explaining things to you when you have argued on false or incomplete information. I have been patient when you have insulted me and accused me of things for which you have presented no evidence.
And yet you still fail to grasp the implications of your actions.
You are discussing things with your father in a public domain. You may like the idea of public domain because you can show your friends and all have a laugh about how much fun it is to insult people.
But this isn’t about having a laugh now and then forgetting all about it. Will you so proud in 3 years time when your potential employer is reading your teenage rants? Will you so sure of your truth in 10 years time when your fiance wants to know why your father is not invited to the wedding? When will you realise that public means public, now and into the future?
And when will you realise that not everyone on the internet is nice? Sorry, you already know that - you are not nice. But I mean people who are really not nice, and people who know a lot about how to use the internet to hurt people.
Chances are most of these will ignore your present childish rantings for what they are, but if you continue into the future when you take responsibility for your own actions, you will also have to take responsibility for the consequences.
I dont want to frighten you with boogie monsters, but I do want to shake you free of the idea that this is just some silly website where you can say anything you want without consequence. This is the internet, where silly mistakes are distributed and stored on computers all around the world and erasing them is almost impossible. This is the internet where everything is created by REAL people. People who love, hate, laugh and cry, people who feel. People who react with joy to compliments and with anger to insults.
You are very lucky to have such a faithful and patient father who protects you from your worst excesses in public. Isn’t it about time you took responsibility for yourself?
Replyjessica said: March 12th, 2006 at 12:50
to lucy i have nothing to say to you now or ever!!!!
ReplyJessica said: March 12th, 2006 at 12:56
To Paul
ReplyI will no longer talk to you because am sick of your gf butting in so end of. So you
can now thank her for your lack of communication with me. She is so bothered by
me its laughable and pathetic and i have never said anything on here that i have had
to apologise for and dont stand by. Unlike her, she has had to apologise at least a
couple of times that i know of and i am not the one who butts in and namecalls. No
doubt this will be received and responded to quickly by her and so now i can say
to both of you.
Nothing to say now or ever will. Shame thought we were getting somewhere.
Libertus said: March 12th, 2006 at 12:57
Jessica,
Shall I just delete your comments from now on, then? Just say the word.
If you are feeling unwell, don’t worry. The actual truth can often make you feel a little nauseous, which is a good indicator that you’ve just learned something truthful.
ReplyLucy B said: March 12th, 2006 at 13:03
Hey Jessica this is PUBLIC!!!
ANYONE CAN ! ANYONE CAN READ, ANYONE CAN WRITE!
You want a private conversation with your father…. you know how to do it.
ReplyJessica said: March 12th, 2006 at 13:07
Delete my comments why?? As for faithful and patient father do you consider yourself
Replythat? To quote yourselves back where is the evidence and documentation to prove
this? please respond to both questions Paul. As you are the only one that can. Noone
else can respond. I am very lucky but not when it comes to having had you as a
father and certainly not with your interfering gf who cannot grasp the concept of she
is part of your life which accept and respect because have been brought up
properly but not part of my life. She certainly appears very needy and desperate to be be part of mine shame really cos it will never happen and that is my choice because
of freedom of choice she can address me all she likes but nothing to say to her ever
Jessica Jessica said: March 12th, 2006 at 13:08
to Lucy
ReplyNothing to say to you now or ever!!!!
Jessica Jessica said: March 12th, 2006 at 13:15
To Paul A faithful and patient father? do you consider yourself this? What proof
Replydo you base this on? What evidence do you have of this? I am lucky yes but not
by having you as a father that is for sure and certainly not by the gf of yours who
is amusingly desperate to talk to me and i have nothing to say to her now or ever.
Libertus said: March 12th, 2006 at 13:17
Jessica,
So you don’t want me to delete your comments, OK.
Would you like me to delete Lucy’s comments instead?
ReplyJessica Jessica said: March 12th, 2006 at 13:23
No why would i have the say so to delete someone elses comment they do not
Replybother me as i have nothing to say to her now or ever so she can comment or
try and communicate with me to her hearts desire. but is sad and needy and
falling on deaf ears, maybe you should recommend she get a puppy rather than
try and make herself important to your child she obviously has mothering desires
maybe that would help.
Libertus said: March 12th, 2006 at 13:29
Jessica,
OK, you’re being fair, that’s all I wanted to know.
ReplyPaul M said: March 12th, 2006 at 13:37
Jessica asked:
You are asking me to confirm what someone else thinks of me, which I cannot. If I testify to myself, it is not true. I can look at the dictionary, though.
means . Yes, that I am.
means , which you already think I need, being a , LOL!
No, I think the other meaning of patient, , is more apt, and the answer is definately no, I am not patient.
ReplyLucy B said: March 14th, 2006 at 19:24
Paul, my words to Jessica were
I was referring to the courteous treatment Jessica has on this website despite her appalling behaviour.
You haveLibertus allowed these to be published. I can only assume the few that you did not allow through were very much worse. She should be glad that you are willing to censor her worst excesses.Paul, you are faithful to her because you allow her to come and comment at any time and are willing to engage in conversation with her. You are patient with her because you know that at some time in the future she will discover that being rude is counter productive.
ReplyJessica Jessica said: March 14th, 2006 at 22:34
I do not engage in “coversation” with anyone. lol
ReplyLibertus said: March 14th, 2006 at 22:59
Eh?
I’m pretty sure you have done all the rest of those things, though, Jessica. The way Lucy puts it, I sound like a terrible moderator.
ReplyJessica said: March 14th, 2006 at 23:19
Am pretty sure i havent. i have never needed to apologise unlike she had to. I
Replythink she is unhappy because no matter what way she tries to manipulate a
conversation she doesnt like it because i have nothing to say to her now or
ever. She is appalled because i dont thank her for her explaining her point
of view to me, i never asked her so have nothing to say to her now and not
ever…….shame because she will have to stop trying or get used to it.
Jessica said: March 14th, 2006 at 23:28
Terrible moderator? She doesnt like it when things dont go her way, you didnt
Replymoderate the horrid names that were on previous about her or mum but
# were all quick to credit mum with it and then people had to apologise so
no i dont think it is the moderating in general she is complaining about. i think
it is my choice of having nothing to do with her and she can complain all she
likes makes no odds to me. As for the horrid things she is insecurely imagining
let me put her mind at rest i have said nothing….why? BECAUSE I HAVE
NOTHING TO SAY TO YOU NOT NOW OR EVER!!!!! Of course the moderator
can alleviate her paranoia and tell her but will she believe? no i dont think
n n so because she appears to judge everyone as being like herself. I stand by
everything i say and will apologise for nothing.
Libertus said: March 15th, 2006 at 00:13
Jessica,
There is no apology necessary, from anyone, because no-one gets to say anything worth apologising for on here. It is my job to make sure of that. People do make mistakes, however, especially with regard to information they believe is factual but is not.
During discussions, when people make such mistakes, especially if those mistakes involve other people, it is common courtesy to issue a correction. Such a correction customarily takes the form of an apology, such as this one.
This process also occurs in the field of science, where even long-standing theories can be replaced overnight by new, better ideas that come along. Admitting error is a fundamental part of learning from it, although scientists avoid drawing undue attention to their errors, I admit.
So, anything to say on the subject of identity cards? Would you carry one? There’s a post in need of some excellent discussion!
ReplyLucy B said: March 15th, 2006 at 21:39
Jessica can we pick your brains?
You are still at school so you have up-to-the minute expertise that would be really great on this discussion about streaming in schools [it started out about religion but has changed to more generally about education]
ReplyLibertus said: March 15th, 2006 at 23:45
Lucy B,
Jessica has nothing to say to you.
ReplyJessica said: March 17th, 2006 at 18:53
Is this statement a fact?
Libertus said:
Lucy B said:
My mum did tell me so that was an untrue statement and this is another example of how at every opportunity you drag my mum into anything you want to without checking your facts and presuming the worst and that is why I want nothing to do with you because you will not leave the parent I love alone.
She has done nothing to you ever. She does not know you and you do not know her. If your response is going to be , I believe the final hurdle of signing of paperwork was the Power of Attorney signed by my father and witnessed by you after Mum had signed her bit which had to be approved by a bank which was late in coming through which annoyed her too.
So where is the latest apology to Mum then? Not the first either, is it? That goes to show the measure of you in my opinion.
And to my father… meaning agreement, and you do know my mum so what is your excuse and where is your apology?
So we’ll see if you both have double standards and I will await the response.
ReplyLibertus said: March 17th, 2006 at 19:47
Jessica,
That is a very good point! I’m sure Paul will have something to say in response.
However, you have nothing to say to Lucy, not now, not ever, so there is little point in her saying anything to you.
ReplyJessica said: March 17th, 2006 at 20:51
Just explaining why I have nothing to say, because of thehypocrisy she shows my mother, and I do not expect a reply because of who made the comment and the subject. Just thought I would explain, that is all. As she took the time to explain to me her point of view. Just courteously doing the same.
In the same tone I will not be appalled if no response [from Paul?] as I respect freedom of choice. Just thought it would be good to point out the double standards on this website. And Paul, your wife started seeing her solicitor about the divorce in 2000 not 2002. I have seen the documents.
ReplyLibertus said: March 17th, 2006 at 22:29
Jessica,
Thank you for your explanation, it was most helpful. As areciprocal gesture, I have edited your comment, hopefully to the standard a MP would expect from Hansard .
The double standard of which you speak is a privilege reserved only for people with Celebrity status on this blog. You can see Lucy has it by the green bar next to her comments. You can have it too. All you have to do is identify yourself to me securely.
ReplyLucy B said: March 18th, 2006 at 09:42
Jessica
Your mother has nothing to do with this conversation. I was challenging YOUR assertion that your mother tells you everything.
You previously told us that you were unable to phone your father’s mobile number because you did not know it. I know that your father has supplied it several times by letter, email and postcard to your mother. You didn’t know the number because your mother did not tell you. Therefore your mother does not tell you everything.
In this coversation you made several posts on the assumption that your father was going to father another child. I know your father has had a vasectomy. I figured you didn’t know that.
Actually you do know that, you are just acting stupid. You have all this information available about your father and his girlfriend and how they live. But you still leap to a conclusion totally unsupported by anything except a joke from Rachel.
ReplyPaul M said: March 18th, 2006 at 13:57
Dear Jessica,
I apologise for mistakenly thinking that you did not know about our being sufficiently blessed with two children. I did not know that Lindsay had told you. I still do not know what or why. Regardless of how you found out, do you now feel that you know for sure? Is this a statement of fact? I’ve repeated myself enough.
It is important to me because it is important to you. You said:
Some of the other things you say, whilst not questions put to me, are interesting. You know far more about the divorce that I expected you to know, but that is a matter I shall discuss with Lindsay someday. Especially in light of what you just said.
Is this a statement of fact, Jessica?
I certainly have not seen those documents and Lindsay certainly did not inform me that she was seeing a solicitor about divorce in any of the many conversations we had during 2000 and into 2001.
The earliest record I have is dated 12th March 2001 when Lindsay asked me, via a letter from her solicitor, to sign the house over into her sole name. You must have seen it already. It does not mention divorce.
The next letter I received, dated 29th August 2001 does mention divorce, threatening proceedings if I did not respond to the letter. I did not respond to the letter.
On 28th September 2001, I met with a solicitor in Sheffield. The follow-up letter I received a few days later informed me that I needed a Scottish solicitor.
My first contact with my current solicitor was by e-mail on the 13th February 2002.
The next record I have handy is a letter dated 20th February 2002 from the Scottish Legal Aid Board, informing me of Lindsay’s successful application for Legal Aid.
Any questions?
ReplyRach said: March 18th, 2006 at 16:17
I wish I had never made the comment at the top of all this. I was only commenting on the CSA’s timescale, I’ll be quiet now
ReplyLibertus said: March 18th, 2006 at 16:42
Rach,
No worries. You’re an innocent bystander. Same thing happened to Sara.
As to CSA timescales, I’m still waiting.
ReplyJessica said: March 18th, 2006 at 17:07
To Lucy B,
In response to your comment, my mum DID tell me about the letter that Paul sent to my mum and I DID see the phone number I just didn’t take a copy of it! If you remember correctly Paul got on at my mum coz the letter was supposed to be private! So again you are wrong!
You said you were challenging MY assertion that my mother doesn’t tell me anything which is about my mum! So she does have a place in your 1 sided conversation! As for me acting stupid about my thoughts that Paul was going to have another child I was deeply hurt by this and so would most children whose father had left them and goes and has another child! You have never experienced it so you don’t know how it feels and as I said before I have NOTHING to say to you NOW or EVER.
I was brought up with manners so I am being mannerly enough to answer your comment and give you the facts!!!
ReplyJessica said: March 18th, 2006 at 17:23
To Paul M,
In response to your comment, you keep on repeating that you are blessed and delighted by your two children so why did you and do you wilfully choose not to financially or emotionally support us?
Instead of thanking our mother, it feels like you’re always having a go at her? Do not say you do care because the evidence and your actions prove that you put yourself before the needs of your children and the responsibilities that you’re due to them!
The evidence that I know of is that you were in Fraserburgh for 6 weeks at 1 point and you didn’t come and see us or get in touch.
As for signing the house over to mum the solicitor said that mum would keep the house and shoulder the financial burden and raise us, but no you wanted half the house and mum to pay for us but no that’s not what the agreement was the agreement was that you would pay for your kids and mum would pay for the house.
Also you say you are sufficiently blessed having us so why didn’t you even bother to come and check we were ok when our grandma died? Your mum came down but there was no mention of you? Where were you? Do you even have a reason for not coming to see us?
ReplyPaul M said: March 18th, 2006 at 18:36
Jessica,
I would rather talk about these issues somewhere else at some other time.
Here and now, can we talk about something else instead, please?
ReplyJessica said: March 18th, 2006 at 20:57
I wanted to talk to you and have these questions answered when I phoned you at Fraserburgh, I cannot phone a mobile from the house phone so it had to be a landline but no you wanted to talk to Mum…
[Moderator’s note: remainder deleted]
ReplyJessica said: March 19th, 2006 at 11:40
To Rachel
[Moderator’s note: content deleted]
ReplyPaul M said: March 19th, 2006 at 15:18
Jessica,
You cannot call mobiles from your house phone? Wow. You must have real trouble keeping in touch with your friends. So must Lindsay.
OK, no problem. Call my landline number. Leave a message with a number I can call you on.
020 8133 1869
ReplyPaul M said: March 19th, 2006 at 15:54
Jessica asked:
I did check on you. As I recall, Lindsay and I discussed all this at the time. She didn’t want me there. She told me not to come. She told me you and Christopher would be OK.
That was fine by me. I didn’t want to go to your grandmother’s funeral. No-one would have benefitted from it. Worse, I would probably have upset everyone all the more.
ReplyJessica said: March 19th, 2006 at 17:34
All your number is not showing don’t know why.
[Moderator’s note: rest of comment deleted]
ReplyLibertus said: March 19th, 2006 at 17:54
Jessica,
Let me give you Paul’s number in a way you can definately see.
020 8133 1869
ReplyJessica said: March 22nd, 2006 at 09:10
To Paul,
No, we don’t have trouble keeping in touch with our friends because they all have landlines and I don’t know if you heard but there is this new invention calledSMS (texting) so no we don’t.
Why is it you have a problem talking about these things for all to see? Are you afraid people might see you for who you really are?!
Even though mum may have said you shouldn’t come down, you knew your mum was coming down so why didn’t you ask her to pass on a message to your grieving 9 year old daughter and 5 year old son? Mum wouldn’t have objected to that or even a phone call?
ReplyLucy B said: March 23rd, 2006 at 11:32
Jessica
Your timeline is wrong. The letter to which you keep referring was not delivered until THE DAY AFTER the phone call to which you keep referring. I know, I was witness to both.
So clearly when I say I am referring to earlier communications. You have seen everything, so you will know what I am talking about.
This is a case where you have got your facts out of kilter, and is therefore due a public retraction.
ReplyPaul M said: March 23rd, 2006 at 13:20
Jessica,
I can doSMS .
07722 042956.I can doIM . On MSN I’m Trillian .
paulmitchell2112@hotmail.com. I use the IM programI can doSkype , which offers free phonecalls. I’m
Replyeaudomainia_2.Jessica jessica said: March 23rd, 2006 at 21:27
I am tired of her so clearly she cannot button it and keeping on trying to prove me wrong.
You jump to her defence when she tells you to.
I am your child are you going to let her keep this up?
While she is in your life clearly I will not be because she cannot cope with the fact that I, My Mum and my brother exist.
I accept she is important to you but clearly she cannot reciprocate the courtesy.
Or is deliberately trying to keep us out of your life but you know what this really is not worth the constant jibes, I the child tried to keep her out of it hoping she would realise I have nothing to say to her.
I accept she is important to you but she really is nothing to me ok she may think she has a say because she loves you and I am your daughter but that does not count.
Grow up and accept, so Paul I am giving up again until she stops trying to point score it is tedious and futile.
You know her you know her problem but you know what I am on this planet because you decided to be a father not so your present gf can point score against me.
She clearly is jealous of any time spent even trying to communicate between us and throws in her point of view so I am truly going to try and leave this website and you both alone because obviously from the way my points are not being portrayed and Lucy’s are proves that not only does Paul does what he is told so does Libertus so proves her point that she said earlier.
The odds are stacked against me and my voice here and clearly stacked in her favour. Well done dad again.
ReplyLibertus said: March 24th, 2006 at 12:42
Jessica,
I am confused. There are two of you. Would the real Jessica provide a valid e-mail address with her next comment, please?
ReplyJessica jessica said: March 25th, 2006 at 07:28
Her being referred to is your present gf aswell you know.
Your referring to her as “present” is insulting, and I know you mean it to be.
you know my email.
Of course. I am asking you to prove you are who you say. What’s the matter? You need not be afraid to identify yourself. You can both become Celebrities on the blog. Then your identities are both clear and protected.
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